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I have a secret

Drahmee

Occupation: Farmer
Greenie
Oct 26, 2015
225
114
So, as some of you may be aware, Mob and Lava Parkour have been around a long time. Six years ago, I built something special (which is hidden from view) around them, so if we lost sortals we'd still have a HC consisting of three maps (Lava Parkour, Mob Parkour, and Glowstone Labyrinth) in that when you completed one map, you could immediately run to the next one, since they were all next to each other.

This necessitated building two sets of tunnels, one set which went around Lava Parkour, and one which went around Mob Parkour. The intent was that when I wanted (and for a while this was part of HC), I could make some or all of the non-exits send a player back to the beginning of that map, via these tunnels, rather than them having to jump into lava.

Fast forward to Sept 2017. If I did this for all exits now, I could make the exit dropdowns non-lethal, and they'd just send you back to the start of the map.

What do we think about this? Should I do it?
 

Zatharel

Другар
Op
Board
Nov 5, 2013
2,033
1,651
If you want my honest opinion, I think the guess element is the most ridiculous thing that exists on this server and I can't think of a single person that enjoys it. If any new map were to have this it would probably be denied in a heartbeat.

But sure, tunnels are better.
 

Srentiln

minr op since Nov 2011
Op
Oct 28, 2013
1,985
1,047
I kinda enjoyed it once I was out of HC...

Personally, I see no difference between a death restart and a walk restart. It's like STS, either way it's still staring from the beginning. I would say a restart sign in these instances is also basically the same thing.
 

henniboy321

Chicken eater
Greenie
Nov 2, 2013
466
295
It can make a difference in certain challenges as you only have a limited amount of lives
 

spolendina

twpsyn
Op
Apr 30, 2017
741
649
just remove the guess element entirely.. it's completely pointless and incredibly frustrating
 

Hex

Board Grandpa
Op
Board
Jul 26, 2016
1,374
1,335
Here's to having contrary opinion!
I mean, it's been like this a long while. Why change it? It might make Hexa slightly easier and it might make the map slightly less intimidating. And people aren't gonna walk back, they're gonna /kill. I see no difference in having this. I don't see anything wrong with it myself. meh. I don't see a huge reason to change it.
 

henniboy321

Chicken eater
Greenie
Nov 2, 2013
466
295
Most of the players who get to mob parkour will already know the exit (if you don't change it again :p ).
 

Srentiln

minr op since Nov 2011
Op
Oct 28, 2013
1,985
1,047
Drah is nicer than I would be when it comes to that. I'd set it up to automatically change each time someone got the correct one :p
 

Drahmee

Occupation: Farmer
Greenie
Oct 26, 2015
225
114
Okay, everything is complete, with each dropdown having an alternate exit which will bring you back to the start of the map. It's still faster to /kill if you're not in Hexa.

Just because I have a reputation to uphold, I lowered the number of correct exits from three to one.
 

rmanimal

Space
Op
Jan 19, 2015
731
674
As for people who argue about abolishing the guess element, yes it's annoying but it also creates great maps if it is utilized well.
For example, Holes is a majorly guess-oriented map, but is pretty fun because you don't have a huge setback if you choose the wrong path.
 

Drahmee

Occupation: Farmer
Greenie
Oct 26, 2015
225
114
As it was, the intention back in 2010 was to slow down how quickly whities could compete HC for green rights. We had so few maps, especially hard parkours, that we felt we had to do something.
 

Srentiln

minr op since Nov 2011
Op
Oct 28, 2013
1,985
1,047
STS is also heavily guess-based, and yet most people seem to like it. It's a valid mechanic, and people seem to be unsure what they want from it.
 

spolendina

twpsyn
Op
Apr 30, 2017
741
649
Guess is not a valid mechanic... Unless there is some kind of logic that can be used to solve which one is correct (then it wouldn't be guess) it shouldn't be in a map. It's frustrating and a cheap way to piss of players
 

Srentiln

minr op since Nov 2011
Op
Oct 28, 2013
1,985
1,047
pol, it is a valid mechanic that has been used successfully in several maps. The main frustration that comes in relation to drah's maps is where he uses it. Having to guess at the very end of a parkour map has frustrated people for a long time. However, as previously stated, other maps that have implemented it as a "main body" mechanic are considered enjoyable.

Just because the way something is implemented in some cases is frustrating doesn't make it invalid.
 
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