Minr Mafia 13: Glitches

[jagman77]

Im just realizing something now, I still think forgot is mafia, and I think the whole bandwagon for vid is a horrible idea. I will admit I hid part of my reason for voting for forgot, but I will reveal that now.

From day one Dist has almost perfectly played the part of a jumpy innocent, a player that give meta reasoning when it comes to voting someone out. I think he has played the part too perfectly. I can understand a player throwing himself out there once, maybe twice (like I am doing now) but every single post and every single conversation makes him look too stupid to be mafia. Im guessing he is mafia, along with a couple of other players, which I will go on to explain.

First thing that peaked my interest in forgot.

This is nothing new to you guys, but the forum message was the explanation as to why voting for zath was a good option. My reply went along the lines of, 'what if the power players were mafia?' The reason that I suspect forgot is because dist's defense of forgot was restated over and over again both in the skype message, and this thread. To break it down even more:

(1) Forgot aint mafia
(2) but forgot isnt
(3) Ive talked to forgot and I know his role
(4) he is neutral
(5) and his role is pretty ****ed up

I think repeating a point 5 times is pretty excessive, and that's just him trying to convince me. Beyond that every post I have seen from them in this thread seems to only support. I can understand two players thinking along the same lines, but dist and forgot arent the type of person I would expect to come to the same conclusion, especially after the reason for voting zath out.


AND after all that, we are happy to follow them when it comes to voting out a player that has so far contributed nothing to either team, even though no reason for getting rid of them was given.

The final point Id like to give is that cory has done nothing other then supporting forgot and dist, and has repeated his reasons for voting vid out several times so far. I can understand a player who has evidence against someone else doing this, but I dont see "because he is afk" a solid reason for voting someone out.

I have presented three possible mafia, and my reasons for suspecting them, I dont expect you all to follow along, but at least help us find out if one of them is mafia, and weigh up the evidence in your own time. I am willing to change my vote, as long as it is to one of the people I have presented evidence against in this list. you guys can decide who you think is most likely to be mafia, but please dont waste continue wasting time with someone who has wasted ours.


EDIT: Nice stunt forgot, I hope our cop is smarter then to post "hey guys, I investigated forgot and it turns out he is mafia" in the thread

 

[Mathwiz592]

So now that I'm at a keyboard...

You caught me, I'm not worried about dying, and here's the reason:

You said it yourself, there's probably someone that can heal your poison on BOTH teams, including the innocents. Dist told me he thought you were neutral because your role would be overpowered if you weren't, having a healer on the innocent team would be an excellent way to balance your power. Knowing this I made sure to be the first to accuse you because I wanted you to poison me. I figured if it was obvious enough that you were going to poison me the innocent healer would be kind enough to save me. This is also the reason I wasn't concerned with the death of an innocent as I wanted you to target me.

Also, I'm not sure why we have to take turns providing our reasoning and accusations, and I'm not sure how that makes me look like a panicked mafia... I was just trying to explain my reasoning to anyone that bothers to read it. I was also making a completely different point that I had thought of after posting the first message. Also, the last part is not me trying to convince people that don't read or aren't good at mafia, in fact I believe if you don't bother reading what people post you shouldn't be playing mafia anyway, but it's me trying to make my argument extremely clear.

I'd like to add that the threat of vid "coming back and hurting you innocents" is small compared to the threat of forgot being mafia, manipulating more people, while we are too scared to vote him off because he's threatening us. I still don't see how you are any more useful to us than vid is either. You've done nothing but threaten innocents (and mafia, but as you said they're unlikely to vote for you), and you still haven't offered us any help. I don't know how else to make it clear to people that we gain no advantage from a neutral that has offered no help, even stating that he might help the mafia if they have the clear advantage.

Voting for someone because they're afk should be a strategy that we use because we can't think of anything else. If we have a better lead, we should take it, and for those of you who still think there is no evidence against forgot, you should review everything we have discussed. While the evidence isn't solid like someone with a cop role investigating him would be (it would be stupid for the cop role to share that they are the cop role anyway), I believe our suspicions are enough to lynch him instead of someone who is afk or someone that has done nothing to make us think they're mafia.

If you're wondering why I did not ask a cop to investigate him, it's because I've talked with some people that have claimed to be cops, and they didn't seem very trustworthy. If someone claims they are a cop it does not mean they are a cop, they could easily be a mafia trying to get your role pm or connect you with other "innocents" so you trust them.

If you think I'm suspicious because I'm not sharing all my information, I'd like to point out that being mafia is not the only reason for this, and I'd also like to point out that forgot has probably been keeping secrets too. It's not like we share everything here.

I'd also like to point out to everyone that in every response to me forgot has stated that my argument and evidence are poor. I don't want any of you taking his side just because he is an experienced mafia player, remember that this means he is also good at manipulating others. I don't believe my arguments and evidence are poor, and I've seen some contradictions in his (like accusing me of being mafia and pointing out a mafia wouldn't vote for him), but I think the individual should determine whether one has good evidence or not.

 

[TheForgottenUser]

Can we please try and not repeat what me and Sren did a while ago? Condense you points so that there isn't all the fluff. I agree that everyone should read what's being said, but being realistic not everyone will and we shouldn't make it a chore.

@jagman77 I can't rebut the first part well. I can say that Distinct has a tendency to spam you with short phrases on Skype, but you probably wouldn't know that since you don't communicate much, what with being in Australia. We also do think pretty similarly, and were doing a great job working together last round until you exploded on us :S. To address the edit, I'm not pulling a stunt. Assuming they've already checked someone, they could check me and have their teammate post instead if I was mafia. Nowhere did I ask for them to say it in the thread, just to check me.

@Mathwiz592 I really don't want to bother hitting everything you said again. Most of it is points I already addressed and you added nothing to and decided to instead ignore. Also, it'd make this post even huger. So this is what I'll do: If you really want to hear me beat down all of the points again and the few new ones you made, skype me. I'm more than willing to talk to you about it, and besides, it's harder to lie on the spot and while you're talking to someone (which is fine by me, since I'm not lying).

A few little things I'll say just because I can do them expediently:

1. Your reason is terrible. My role is a silent kill, and I never said it was you I'd be bran-ing anyways. If you're innocent, you're risking other innocents and yourself. Continuing, I've heard a lot of jumping around as to what your role is. I heard it was vanilla, then you claimed cop, and from this post you make it sound like you're vanilla again since you wouldn't be scared to die? Sounds to me like you just got surprised when you claimed and learned someone else beat you to the punch. Wouldn't be surprised if they go down tonight...
2. I mean, you guys obviously aren't that scared. I have 4 votes against me. I ain't even manipulating people this game. I've talked to like... 8, tops. Do a survey if you don't believe me. I'm not helping either side because I'm neutral and it isn't clear who's winning. Why would I put myself in danger? I've done half the kills currently. ._.
3. Only one person said there wasn't any real evidence against me. Appeal to minority fallacy. WHY FOR THE LOVE OF C_DRIC DON'T YOU WANT TO ROLE CHECK ME? The cop can get their minion to say it when they check me.
4. See point one about the cop thing. Again, discrediting them since you're panicking with no reason why they're not trustworthy. The problem with CC-ing a cop role is that you'll get called out on it by the real cop's minions, and then you die.
5. Actually I've said literally everything and been completely upfront in all fields. You have my PM. I admitted to the killings, said the pastry thing was a hint. I'm not hiding a single thing. You're only saying that I 'probably am' because I called you out on the holes that are literally everywhere in your argument.
6. See point two about manipulating players.

@Both Good job with your final sentences encouraging them to decide on their own. As humans, they're already autonomous and free to decide whatever they want, so the real reason you said that was to avoid flak if you're wrong when I die (which you will be).

I am so, so sorry this turned out as long as it did. Please accept my apology and I hope you'll still read this post.

 

[MeisterXehanort]

Wow people do you seriously think I would read through all of that shit?

I've been asked before why I keep voting for Henni, and the answer is simple.

I'm trying to scumtest people, however, this just doesn't work if you dont reply to me.

Also fuck henni

#Unvote
#Vote Ian

This is mafia, trust me on this one. I've been talking about this with my bros and I'm like 110% sure.

 

[MeisterXehanort]

Oh come on forgot you don't even got the ass to write a proper reply

come @ me m8

 

[ElectroUnderwear]

Oh come on forgot you don't even got the ass to write a proper reply

come @ me m8

Well, you obviously don't take mafia seriously, so how are people supposed to take your posts seriously?
As for the argument between forgot and math.....

You said it yourself, there's probably someone that can heal your poison on BOTH teams, including the innocents.

This sentence makes me suspect you for multiple reasons. First of all, the theory of there being a mafia healer contradicts your other theory of forgot being mafia, because it would be counterproductive to have a poisoner and a healer on the same team. (I forgot what the second reason was, I'll post it if I remember it) Also, I agree with forgot that you seem really determined to kill him. I get the untrustworthy cop argument, but why not ask them to investigate him and see if their results contradict each other? You've been purposely hiding things that didn't need to be hidden and reiterating the same arguments over and over to get people to vote him. The only thing that's keeping me from voting you right now is the fact that I don't know why a mafia would want a neutral dead so badly. I'm also reluctant to vote for forgot because he'll probably help us if we gain an advantage.
So, to you people who are against voting for vid and think it's time to take some real action, I might listen and change my vote later today. But since we still have a long time before the day ends, I'm going to wait and see how people respond to this.

 

[Mathwiz592]

Electro, if forgot is mafia there would not be a healer on his team, but as most of you think he's neutral it would make sense for there to be one on both. My main point was that there is one on the innocent team no matter what, which is why I wasn't worried about dying. I am determined to kill him because I strongly believe he is mafia, and I strongly believe voting vid is a waste of time right now. I'm not going to argue with forgot anymore because, as you said, I've made my points repeatedly, so they should be clear to everyone by now, and I know that he'll keep defending himself if I do, so it probably won't end.
I will, however, defend myself by agreeing with you that if I were mafia I wouldn't be so determined to kill a neutral. In fact, I probably would have contacted him asking to help the mafia, which I definitely haven't done.

 

[MeisterXehanort]

I kinda cant take games seriously anymore when I literally can't do anything and nobody takes me for serious

which is a contradiction because im not serious in the first place

i should stop talking

 

[MeisterXehanort]

Anyways where is Ian he really needs to show up here.

#serioustime

 

[awkward_hamster]

I sure hope you don't host your own round like this Freak..

 

[blie4]

Freak, I thought you were kidding at first but now I'm unsure. You do know that Ian is dead, right?

 

[MOUTHWEST]

Awkward, Freak ended up hosting one of the best rounds I've played.

I for one enjoy a little bit of comedy to ease up the tension. Even when the jester puts on the cop cap I am still amused

 

[MeisterXehanort]

oh ian is dead

well fuck i should start reading the thread

#unvote
#vote forgot

 

[awkward_hamster]

Fair enough, just need to remember to turn off e-mail notifications...

 

[Gravebound]

I'm all for voting out Math as well, makes it much easier in the long run for every party involved.
#vote Math

 

[Spontida10]

I don't believe we should be voting for Vid, he might have issues preventing him accessing an actual internet connection.

#vote forgot

 

[awkward_hamster]

I don't believe we should be voting for Vid, he might have issues preventing him accessing an actual internet connection.

#vote forgot

That's not really our problem at this point, he either needs to be AFK killed or we have to get rid of him. If he's Mafia, he has to go in order for us to win..

 

[Spontida10]

That's not really our problem at this point, he either needs to be AFK killed or we have to get rid of him. If he's Mafia, he has to go in order for us to win..

If he is AFK killed we don't need to do anything. There is no harm in letting him live if he will be AFK the whole match then.

 

[awkward_hamster]

Jk, will you be AFK-killing or do we have to consciously take a round to kill AFK players?

 

[Jkjkelly1]

3 day of seemingly no contact (forums, skype, etc.), yes, I will afk-kill.